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MR. HEALY asked the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, Whether Mr. P. J. Quinn, assistant secretary to the Land League, is confined in Enniskillen Gaol, after so many other prominent members of the League, arrested at the same time and for the same offence, have been released; and, if the Lord Lieutenant has re-considered his case?

MR. TREVELYAN: Sir, Mr. Patrick J. Quinn is detained in Inniskillen Gaol. The Lord Lieutenant re-considered his case at the end of last month, and decided that he could not then order his release.

decided to order their discharge. Mr. under his consideration to-day, and has James Ennis was released on the 31st ultimo. I have received no information about other persons from Bannon, County Wexford, being in Kilmainham; but if the hon. Member will name them I shall ask about their cases. Mr. Pierce Meaney, referred to in the final paragraph of the Question, was released on the 26th of last month.

PETROLEUM ACT (INDIA), 1881 — IM-
PORTATION OF EXPLOSIVE OILS
FROM AMERICA.

MR. MACFARLANE asked the Secretary of State for India, If his attention has been called to the statement of the Correspondent of the "Times" from Calcutta with reference to the imporMR. HEALY asked whether Mr. tation of dangerous explosive oil from Quinn was only assistant secretary to America; and, if it is true that he has the Land League, and had never made instructed the Government of India to a speech before he was arrested? Mr. repeal or modify the Act passed by that Brennan and Mr. Davitt, the chief se- Government only last year; and, if it is cretaries of the League, had been re-true that the Government of India, in leased, and he was subordinate to them. MR. TREVELYAN said, he would answer a further Question on the subject on Thursday.

PROTECTION OF PERSON AND PRO-
PERTY (IRELAND)) ACT, 1881-DE-
TENTION OF PERSONS ARRESTED

UNDER THE ACT.

MR. HEALY asked the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, Whether eleven men arrested in Hook, County Wexford, on 27th February, are still confined in Kilkenny Gaol, although two others from the same district, arrested on the same charge were released a month ago; whether it is the fact that no outrages have been committed in the district; if he can state the reason for the detention of these men; if the Government have re-considered the case of Mr. James Ennis, and the other suspects from Bannon, county Wexford, now in Kilmainham; and, why Mr. Pierce Meaney, of Tintern, county Wexford, is detained in the same gaol, while another prisoner from the same district and arrested for the same offence has been released?

MR. TREVELYAN: Sir, I find that there are only seven of the men arrested at Hook on the 27th February still in custody, and I have learnt by telegraph that His Excellency has had their cases

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obedience to such orders, is legislating upon the subject at Simla where no independent or commercial member of the Council is present?

THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON : Sir, my attention has been called to the telegram of the Calcutta Correspondent of The Times, which contains an inaccurate statement of the facts. Representations have been made to me by respectable firms that four cargoes, containing 2,500,000 gallons, of petroleum have been rejected by the Government Inspectors as below the standard, though they had taken every precaution to comply with the requirements of the Act. They have laid before me documentary evidence to support the latter assertion. It is also stated that other cargoes are on the voyage, under similar conditions. On consulting Professor Abel, who is the inventor of the test employed here and in India, I find that he is uncertain whether his test, intended to be used in a temperate climate, can be entirely depended on under very different climatic conditions in India. This opinion seems to be confirmed by the fact that identical samples of oil refused at Bombay last autumn have been re-tested in London and admitted. Under these circumstances, and considering that merchants who appear to have taken every reasonable precaution

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to comply with the requirements of the law are subjected to very heavy loss by what it is, at least, possible may be an imperfection of the test laid down by the law, and also that a reduction, by the rejection of the cargoes in question, of something like a quarter of the year's imports must greatly raise the price of petroleum in India and cause loss and inconvenience to the Indian consumer, I thought it right to communicate the facts before me by telegram to the Government of India, and to ask their earliest consideration of the matter. The question of any permanent modification of the test under the Act cannot be considered for some time--till the opinions of the experts who have been consulted are received. But, to meet the pressing case of the alleged hardship to shippers of cargoes of petroleum already arrived in India or afloat, the Government of India propose to pass in their Legislative Council to-morrow a temporary Act, admitting petroleum certified by the New York Public Inspectors not to flash below the standard required by the Act. I have issued no instructions in the matter, but have simply communicated the information received and the opinions of experts, leaving it to the discretion of the Legislative Council whether to pass the Act.

NAVY-THE RIGGERS IN THE

DOCKYARDS.

SIR H. DRUMMOND WOLFF asked the Secretary to the Admiralty; Whether any answer has been or will shortly be sent to the petition presented to the Admiralty by the established riggers in Her Majesty's Dockyards?

MR. CAMPBELL-BANNERMAN: Sir, several representations have recently been received from the Dockyards in favour of an increase of pay. So far as this year is concerned, no provision has been made for such a purpose; but, before the next Estimates are framed, the claims which have been urged will

receive full consideration.

PROTECTION OF PERSON AND PRO. PERTY (IRELAND) ACT, 1881 - THE REV. THOMAS FEEHAN.

MR. MARUM asked the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, Whether, in view of the precedent established by the release of a person

The Marquess of Hartington

from Limerick Gaol last week, imprisoned in default of bail for good behaviour, he will take into his favourable consideration the discharge from Maryboro' Gaol of the Rev. Thomas Feehan, in custody under similar circumstances?

MR. TREVELYAN: Sir, His Excellency the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland has had the Rev. Mr. Feehan's case under consideration. I will let the hon. Member know more on Thursday.

MR. LEAMY asked whether the right hon. Gentleman could state whether the cases of other persons imprisoned under the Act of Edward III. were also under consideration?

MR. TREVELYAN: They are, Sir. The same considerations govern all these cases.

MR. GIBSON asked whether His Excellency, in considering these cases, had regard to the question whether intimidation was likely to be exercised by the persons released?

MR. TREVELYAN: What His Excellency has considered is the relation of the length of imprisonment which these people have undergone to the charges on which they were imprisoned. He has also considered the effect of their release on the peace of the districts in which they lived.

IRELAND-STATE-AIDED EMI.
GRATION.

CAPTAIN AYLMER (for Mr. FITZPATRICK) asked Mr. Chancellor of the Mr. Tuke's letter in the "Standard" of Exchequer, Whether, having regard to June 5th, stating the anxiety of the people in the western districts of Connaught to emigrate, and the difficulty of procuring funds for that purpose, Her Majesty's Government will make arrangements to supplement the power now possessed by guardians of Poor

Law Unions of giving money in aid of low rate of interest to those Poor Law emigration, by granting a loan at a Unions which were scheduled under the Relief of Distress (Ireland) Act of 1880; and, whether, having regard to the great urgency of the case, they will make such arrangements as rapidly as pos

sible?

THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER (Mr. GLADSTONE): Sir, there is no doubt of the importance of this question; but, if it be an urgent question, it is not the only urgent one in connection with

Irish legislation, for there are other matters which have been partially the subject of discussion this year, some relating to the various clauses of the Land Act, and more particularly to the Purchase Clauses, which likewise demand the consideration of the Government. But I do not think that any advantage will arise from my entering at this period into a statement of what the Government intend upon the subject. We have before us the passing of two Bills, which form the bulk of our immediate duty in this House. By the time these two Bills are disposed of, there is one subject which it will be quite necessary to take up-namely, the Taxes Bill.' When that again has been disposed of, and it is not a matter that can possibly occupy a great deal of time, then will be the time when we may fairly be called upon to state our intentions with regard to other subjects.

MR. T. P. O'CONNOR: May we hope, from what the right hon. Gentleman has said, that we shall have a statement from the Government with reference to the other points under the Land Act before the close of the Session ?

THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER (Mr. GLADSTONE): Yes; I do not pretend to say now, Sir, what we shall be able to deal with practically, and what we shall not be able to deal with practically, during the remainder of the present Session; but I think it will be quite proper for the Government to state their intentions when we have arrived at the point to which I have referred.

EGYPT (POLITICAL AFFAIRS). SIR H. DRUMMOND WOLFF asked the First Lord of the Treasury, If he can state which of the Powers have consented to the Conference on the affairs of Egypt; and, whether, before issuing invitations to a Conference at Constantinople, Her Majesty's Government and the Government of France had taken steps to ascertain whether such conference was acceptable to the Sultan, the Sovereign of that capital? The hon. Member further asked whether the French text of the Circulars published in The Times and addressed by the Sultan to the other Powers was authentic; if so, when where the Circulars received, and had any answer been sent by Her Majesty's Government?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: Sir, my hon. Friend asks which of the Powers have consented to the Conference? All of them have expressed themselves favourable to the idea, except the Porte, which, without declining, has expressed the belief that the Conference is unnecessary. The text of the Circulars which appears in The Times is no doubt accurate, as it corresponds pretty closely with the purport of a conversation which Musurus Pasha had with Lord Granville yesterday evening, and which was the first expression of the opinion of the Porte on the matter which we have had before us. The hon. Member also asks whether, before issuing invitations to a Conference at Constantinople, we have taken steps to ascertain whether the Conference was acceptable to the Sultan? No, Sir; we did not. I find from examination of the latest precedent-that of the Constantinople Conference of 1876that the late Government took the initiative in proposing it, without taking steps to ascertain whether it was acceptable to the Sultan. All the Powers expressed themselves favourable to the idea, except the Porte, which objected to it. The preparations were actively pushed on all the same, and the Porte only agreed 14 days later. As my hon. Friend may be inclined to agree with me that the precedent is an interesting one, I will give him the exact dates. The invitations to the Conference of 1876 were sent out on the 4th of November.

SIR H. DRUMMOND WOLFF: Were they laid before Parliament ?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: Yes; I am quoting from the Blue Book. On the 8th of November Lord Salisbury was named British Plenipotentiary. On the 8th of November the Porte made its first answer, stating that—

"The meeting of a Conference would be too disadvantageous for us not to wish that the desired understanding be obtained without the meeting of foreign Plenipotentiaries, having as their mission the discussion of the internal administration of the empire."

On the 13th of November, the Porte again protested against the Conference. On the same day the reply sent somewhat intimated that the Conference might take place, whether the Porte joined in it or not. It was not until the 18th November that the Porte agreed to the Conference.

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SIR H. DRUMMOND WOLFF: Is the hon. Baronet not aware that the result of that Conference was entirely futile, and does he anticipate a similar result from the proposed Conference?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: The hon. Member might obtain information as to the result of the Conference of 1876 from right hon. Gentlemen on the Front Bench opposite.

SIR STAFFORD NORTHCOTE: I wish to ask whether the answers received from the other Powers except the Porte, which are said to have been favourable, were distinct acceptances? SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: No, Sir; I take it that the Powers are following on this occasion the precedent of 1876. In 1876 the Powers informed us that, while they were generally favourable to the idea, they should keep back their formal answers until they had agreed amongst themselves upon the terms. That was the answer of Germany, and I think it probable that the same course is being taken on this occasion.

SIR STAFFORD NORTHCOTE: Have the Government received any communication from any of the Powers to the effect that they think a Conference unnecessary?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: No, Sir.

MR. JOSEPH COWEN: Have the Government received any intelligence as to the arrival of Dervish Pasha in Egypt, or as to the instructions he has been empowered to carry out?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: The conversation between Musurus Pasha and Lord Granville has placed generally before the Government the instructions given by the Porte to Dervish Pasha, and they are substantially on the same bases as those proposed for the Conference. With regard to the arrival of Dervish Pasha in Egypt, judging from the distance, which is only 800 miles, I think he would probably arrive to-night or to-morrow morning.

MR. O'DONNELL: I should like to ask whether the instructions to Dervish Pasha contained any instructions to the effect that the terms of the recent AngloFrench Ultimatum should be insisted on-with respect, for example, to the exile of Arabi Pasha and other matters ?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: I do not think it would serve any good end

to go largely into discussion on this subject, and I could not answer without entering considerably into discussion. I have already stated that the document in question is not an Ultimatum, and I have given certain reasons why it is not an Ultimatum. The instructions given to Dervish Pasha have not been communicated in detail to Her Majesty's Government, but only general terms; and they resemble those that have been placed before the Powers as the bases of the proposed Conference.

MR. M'COAN: I beg to ask the hon. Baronet, whether, in the instructions given to Dervish Pasha, the expulsion of Arabi Pasha from Egypt was included?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: I do not think we know the exact nature of the measures which the Porte is prepared to take. The measures are, generally speaking, the restoration of order in Egypt, and of the authority of the Khedive.

SIR H. DRUMMOND WOLFF asked when the promised Papers relating to Egypt would be distributed to Members?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: Communications with the Government of France with regard to them have now ceased, and the Papers went to the printers this morning. I think it will take two days to get them printed, but they will probably be distributed on Friday morning.

SIR WILFRID LAWSON inquired if this referred to the distribution of all the Papers?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: No, Sir; these are only the first set down to February 5. We are still discussing with the French Government with respect to others, and I think, as I said yesterday, we shall obtain their assent to the production of the remainder.

BARON HENRY DE WORMS asked the hon. Baronet whether the fortified works at Alexandria had been discontinued, because the statements in that day's newspapers on the subject were contradictory?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: I am sorry I cannot give any additional information on the subject. Sir Beauchamp Seymour may have telegraphed further particulars to the Admiralty since I came to the House; but, so far as I know, he has not yet telegraphed.

MR. O'DONNELL: Was it on the authority of the Government that Admiral Seymour applied to the Sultan for the protection of the British Fleet against the fortifications?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: No, Sir. I stated the facts yesterday, and I have nothing to add to the statement.

MR. ASHMEAD-BARTLETT asked whether, in view of the gravity of the Egyptian crisis and the dangers that threatened the interests of England in that country, the Government would fix an early day for the discussion by that House of the policy to be pursued with regard to Egypt and the Ottoman Power?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: In reply to the Question of the hon. Member, I can only repeat what I have already stated, that Her Majesty's Government desire to place the House in possession of all the facts, by laying on the Table the Correspondence up to the end of May, and they have asked the French Government for their consent, which, as I have also stated, has been partially given. Her Majesty's Government must decline to enter on a fragmentary dis

cussion.

MR. ASHMEAD-BARTLETT:

Are

we to understand that when the Papers are on the Table an opportunity will be given for discussion?

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: I have no doubt that if a Motion of Want of Confidence in the Government in relation to their foreign policy is proposed by the responsible Leaders of hon. Gentlemen opposite, a suitable opportunity for its discussion will be given by my right hon. Friend the Prime Mi

nister.

country. And when I say 'gaolers,' I do not mean the gaol officials, much less those of Kilkenny, from whom I have received nothing but uniform courtesy and politeness; I mean William Ewart Gladstone, and John Bright, and Joseph Chamberlain, and the whole crowd of pseudo humanitarians and renegade Republicans that comprise the Cabinet of England (loud and prolonged cheering). These are the enemies of our country.

"Compared with what we have yet to do we have done but very little. I hope that if ever again I am called upon to surrender my liberty in the cause of truth or justice that I will do with the programme of obtaining the land for more to deserve it than I did before. We started the people. Well we have not yet obtained that desirable reform, and we will require to give and take many a hard knock yet before it is accomplished.

"We commenced with the work of eradi.

cating landlordism. Well, the old tree and the have been wiped away from the Irish mind, but superstitious dread that overshadowed the people the roots are still deep in the Irish soil, and though time may rot them we cannot afford that time. We want the place on which to roots must come up and be cast into the fire;" build the structure of an Irish nation, and the and, if the Government had, before the release of Mr. Brennan, any information leading them to the conclusion that he would range himself on the side of Law

and order in Ireland?

MR. LABOUCHERE wished, before the right hon. Gentleman rose to answer, to ask him also whether his attention had been called to a speech made by the hon. and learned Member for Launceston (Sir Hardinge Giffard), somewhat of the same nature as the speech of Mr. Brennan, in which, after accusing Her Majesty's Government of nefarious negotiations, the hon. and learned Member said he had been taught to regard with abhorrence that which was known to lawyers as misprision of treason, and that those who did aid and abet traitors and enter into a compact with traitors, were themselves guilty of an offence? He asked the MR. TOTTENHAM asked the Chief right hon. Gentleman whether it was Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ire-contemplated to submit statements in land, If his attention has been called to the report of a speech in the Dublin papers of the 3rd instant, attributed to Mr. Thomas Brennan, late Secretary to the Land League, immediately after his release from Kilkenny Prison, in which the following passages occur:

PROTECTION OF PERSON AND PRO-
PERTY (IRELAND) ACT, 1881 - MR.
THOMAS BRENNAN.

"I value personal liberty as much as any one, and feel to the fullest extent the necessity to have to conform to the rules of gaolers, especially when the gaolers are the enemies of our

that speech to the Law Officers of the Crown, with the view of seeing whether any legal action could be taken to restrain such speeches on the part of the hon. and learned Member for Launceston, as they were most injurious to the cause of law and order in Ireland?

LORD JOHN MANNERS asked the hon. Member for Northampton, whether he had given Notice to the hon.

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