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wards taken up, a young man in a grey coat State the particular part of the street where and a black collar.
you saw the substance like a halfpenny strike Did you observe the stroke on the glass?- the window?- It was betwist the two palace I did not, but I saw whatever it was that was yards, thrown from the right-hand side, in the thrown very distinctly, and heard it go against narrow part. the glass. It seemed to me to have the ap- You attended the carriage from the one pearance of an halfpenny; and I saw it so palace yard to the other-did you hear any other distinct, that it appeared as if the force of the substance strike the window between the one throw was spent before it hit the glass, and, palace yard and the other ?-I did not; and by that means, that it could not break the for that reason, that if there was any thing glass, though I do not know that it did not. that went through the window, it must have
Did you ohserve if the glass was broke ? - been at the same time, for I did not hear any No, I did not
second stroke against the glass. Did Walford make any observation to you Do you recollect who the persons were that with regard to the stroke upon the glass? I thought it must have come from a window?do not recollect-but I really believe that I do not; but it was the conversation of the what I saw thrown was not what broke the different constables that were about the car. glass, because other persons that were near riage after his majesty alighted, and the opime heard something that went past with nion of several: I do not recollect who asgreat velocity against the glass, and that was seried the fact of its being thrown from a not the case with wliat I saw thrown against window. the glass; as I have said before, the force was Have you since seen the hole in his maspent.
jesty's carriage ?-I have seen one hole; Did Walford make any observations to you that was after the carriage got into the palace upon the velocity with which it was thrown? and that was made, I believe, by a tile or -I am not certain whether he did or not; but something of the kind, thrown at the carriage I think he did not think that what I saw as it was entering the palace gate in returning. thrown was what broke the glass.
Did the brick hit his majesty's carriage on Do you recollect that Walford at the time the same side as the substance hit it in Palace said any thing to you of what he thought yard? was it on the right hand side, or the broke the glass ?-I am not certain; I think left?-On the left, I believe. he thought it was something that was thrown Did you see the brick hit it ?-No; I did. with great velocity, but I am not certain. not.
Did he say what that something was ?-He You saw no other hole in his majesty's did not, but I am as perfectly satisfied as I carriage ?-No. can be, that there were two substances thrown You think something was flung out of a at the same time, for the reason I inentioned window of a house ;-do you know the house? before.
--Certainly I could not; nor within fifty You said, there were forty or fifty persons yards. went back from here?-do you mean to say Do you know the Ordnance office?--I do they were the same parties ?-Yes; and seve
not. ral of them seemeil to know each other, as if You mentioned “ Walford had taken notice they belonged to the same gang, if I may be of the activity of a man;" was that when the allowed such an expression. My reason for glass was broke, or before that time?-I beit is, that there were several standing together. Ilieve he mentioned that circumstance to me The young man taken up was resting his before the stone was thrown; about half way shoulder on one of his companions in a friendly between the Horse Guards and Palace-yard. manner. I asked him, at St. James's, “ if he Was the person whom Mr. Walford pointed knew the person whose shoulder he was rest- out to you in Palace-yard, as the person who ing on ?”. And he denied having any know- threw the stone, the person who was afterledge of the persons he was standing with. wards taken up ?-Yes.
When Walford talked of a substance thrown, And Mr. Walford said, “That was the man did you understand him to mean thrown with who threw the stone ?”—Yes; he said, he le the hand ? -Yes; but there were other per- lieved that was the man, and pointed him out sons present that differed from him in opinion, to Kennedy. and thought it was a shot from a window · Where did he point him out to the constable where there were no persons looking out. I Kennedy?-In Palace-yard, within about ten looked at the window myself. I gave credit yards of his majesty's carriage, after his mafor that opinion, because what I saw thrown, jesty alighted. though I heard' it hit the glass, could not Was that the same man that he pointed out break it, at least I thought it could not; nor to you in Parliament-street ?-I believe it was; I could not believe the window was broke, but he then pointed him out with several till I inquired of the servants about the others, but not him in particular. coach, and then that convinced me that it was something thrown from some window,
Then Mr. John Walford was called in again,
and examined as follows: a marble, or something of that kind, with great velocity.
Did you point out in Palace-yard, to Mr.
Sigebertainly mentioned to "New Stockdale,
Stockdale, a man who had thrown a stone ? You made no inquiry there!-No.
Do you believe the hole in the glass was that I thought that was the man who threw ' made by the bullet, or other round substance, the stone or the other matter, or whatever it that you heard whizzed by you ?-I have no was that broke the window; my reason for doubt about it so doing was the activity he had shown the Do you think that, to have done what you whole of the way.
describe, it could have been thrown by a Did you hear a conversation about an open hand ?-I think it impossible to have come in window ?-I heard one of his majesty's foot- that way, and leave so small a hole in the men make the remark, and asked me, if I had glass. seen it. I told him I had not.
Did you observe any thing else thrown You have said in one of your answers, that about the same time?- Nothing at all. you thought it was a bullet from an instru- Did you give such attention to the house ment; you have now said, it was a stone ;- at the time, as to say which window it came reconcile these answers.- I certainly in the from ;-No; I could not tell that it came first instance, thought it was a bullet, or some from the window or the street; I only thought other hard substance, from the velocity with that it might come from the window. which it came. Kr. Stockdale said he thought Was there any person in any other winit was a halfpenny, or something of that kind. dow?-I do not recollect there was ; I was so I said I really could not tell what it was, but timid I looked into the carriage, and saw his that it must be something rounder and harder majesty was not hurt. to occasion that blow.
You have nothing more to relate ?-No. Then Mr. James Parker, of Pimlico, one of Then Juhn Sayer, officer of Bow-street, was
his majesty's foounen, was called in; called in ; and being sworn,
Were you attending the procession to day? You attended his majesty to-day from his - Yes. palace to the House of Lords ?—Yes.
Were you near his majesty's carriage when Where was your place?--At the coach door, it came into Palace-yard ?-Yes. on the right-hand.
What did you observe?-I observed someRelate what you saw there. We were thing come against the carriage. coming down by the Ordnance office, and Were you near the carriage ?-Close to it. about two doors from there, there was a kind What did you observe ?-I could not tell of a ball, or a marble, or something of that what it was-it made a crash. kind, that whisked by my face ; it appeared to Against what part of the carriage ? --Against come with great velocity, right straight for the glass of the door wards. I immediately said to one of the yeo- The center, or pannel ? --The center. men, “ I think that came from a gun, a wind You did not see in what direction it came? gun, for I heard no report.” I immediately -No; I looked up immediately. Jooked round, could see nothing ; I looked at What effect had it on the glass ?-I saw the the glass of the carriage, and saw a little hole, glass broke. I looked round, to see if I could see where In what manner ?- Apparently with a hole the ball or substance, or whatever it was, came in the middle of the glass with a cracked star from, and I perceived a window open-there | up it. was nobody at it, which gave me reason to Did you see any thing thrown at that time? think it came from that direction.-I said to 1 - I did not. the yeoman, “ I thought it was very strange Was it a large hole or what ?-I take it it where that could come from,” or something might be as big as my finger; a round hole; to that effect.—I don't know any thing more apparently round.
Can you point out the house ? --It has green Did you observe any open window ?- I did outside windows,
not. Was that the only empty window ?-I did Was any other officer with you at that not observe any other.
time ?-No. Was it a window in a first floor, or where? Where was Kennedy ?-A little before me; -A parlour window.
near the carriage: What part of the glass was hit?—Rather Do you recollect the place where it haplower than the middle; it was no great way pened :-Yes. from my head : I had hold of the handle of Do you know the house opposite to where the door.
it happened ?-Yes. You say this was one of the houses near the Which house is it ;-To the best of my Ordnance; was it a house with a bow knowledge, it is the house next the Abbey. window ?--A bow, not of the parlour, but of Whose house is it? I do not know. the floor above it.
Did you accompany the carriage going and Was it not the house next to the narrow coming ?-Yes. passage that comes into Palace-yard, next the Then you saw what sort of people they were cathedral P-It was the end house, there is no - did you take notice of those who were other.
guilty of the riots and insults going and com- Why ?-If it had been a stone, I should
think it would have made a larger hole. Did they appear the same, or a different set Did you observe any open window opposite of men ? There were different men at dif- to the carriage at that time? - I did not. ferent places, but some followed all the way. Did you observe a number of people about
What was the number, as far as you can the coach?-Yes. state, that you think followed all the way ?- Did they follow the coach going, and on its There might be thirty or forty of each side return ?-Yes. the carriage.
Did they appear to be the same party on its Did those thirty or forty appear to know coming and returning ?-Yes, they did. one another ?-I cannot say that.
In what manner did they behave ?-Some What was the nature of the insult they of huzzaing, some hissing, and some calling for fered, in language, or how ?—They were peace. swearing and hissing.
Any thing on the return ?-On returning, What language? — They hallooed out, I heard several somethings come against the « Peace! Peace !
state coach. Any thing farther?-I heard nothing far- What things ?-I do not know. I did see tber.
one stone, and that about as big as a large You did not hear them say, Peace! and walnut. no George !"-No.
Did you go with the coach till it got back to Did you mean thirty or forty on each side the palace_Yes. the carriage, or only thirty or forty on both Was there a glass broke then ?-Entering sides the carriage ? -On each.
the Stable-yard, I heard something come Then you mean eighty? If I was to say against the glass. hundred on each side, I should not exceed. The witness was directed to withdraw.
Do you mean these hundred came and returned ?-No; they might for what I know. The examinations being closed, lord
Did you see the man that Walford took Grenville moved the following Address to into custody?-I saw a man that was taken | his Majesty, into custody, but do not know it was the same “ Most Gracious Sovereign ; he took into custody.
“ We, your Majesty's most dutiful and Was the person you saw in custody one of loyal subjects, the Lords Spiritual and thirty or forty that were turbulent ? --I saw
Temporal, him, amongst a number of other
in parliament were hissing, when the constable laid hold assembled, beg leave to approach your of him.
Majesty, humbly to express to your MaHe was seized in the Park?_Yes.
jesty our indignation and abhorrence at Do you recollect seeing him before, in Mar- the daring outrages offered to your Magaret-street or Palace yard ?-No.
jesty's passage to and from your parliaBut you had seen him before, among the ment. We cannot reflect without the crowd 1-Yes. Where had you seen him? -I saw one of found within your Majesty's dominions,
utmost concern, that there should be the horse soldiers put him aside, just before the constable laid hold of him.
any persons so insensible of the happi. In the Park?-Yes.
ness which all your Majesty's subjects deThen you had not seen him before?-No. rive from your Majesty's just and mild
Be quite clear as to the number of persons government, and of the virtues which so who followed the coach the whole way going eminently distinguish your Majesty's chaand coming-whether thirty or forly on each racter, as to be capable of these flagitious side or more ?-I should suppose there might acts. And we beg leave humbly to lay be more than that going and coming. before your Majesty the earnest wishes Then Christopher Kennedy, Bow-street of- of your faithful Lords,
ficer, was called in; and being sworn which we are confident we shall be joined was examined as follows :
by all descriptions of your Majesty's subWere you in attendance to day?-Yes.
jects, that you will be graciously pleased Were you near the carriage of his majesty? to direct the most effectual measures to -Yes.
be taken, without delay, to discover the Did you see any thing pass in Margaret | authors and abettors of crimes so atrocistreet, or Palace yard? I heard something ous.” come against the glass of the door of the state coach—I looked up, and saw a hole in the this proposition, in the course of which,
A slight conversation took place on glass, and the glass starred. What sort of a hole ?--A small hole.
the Marquis of Lansdown animadverted What do you suppose it was made with ?- with severity upon the conduct of minisI do not know what it was made with ; I do not ters, whom he discredited and reprobated think it could be a stone.
upon this occasion. He said he believed, I
that it was no more than the counter-part moment was most improper for negociaof their own plot; the alarm-bell, to ter- tion. He was not sure that the new plan rify the people into weak compliances. of government met with the approbation He thought it was a scheme planned and of the French people. The decree for executed by ministers themselves, for the the re-election of two-thirds was gene. purpose of continuing their power, a rally known to be extremely obnoxious, power which drew the constitution into and as it had been necessary to employ their own hands, and which he would not the army devoted to the Convention, to consider as safely lodged while in their enforce its execution, the whole appeared possession.
to him no other than a military govern. The Address was agreed to, and com- ment. It was even still doubtful to which municated to the Commons at a con. party the victory would fall. The anarference.
chy in which France had been involved
was still the same. In short nothing Debate in the Commons on the Address seemed to indicate a return of a stable of Thanks.] Oct. 29. His Majesty's and permanent government.
He conSpeech having been read from the Chair, cluded with moving an Address to his
The Earl of Dalkeith -said, that with the majesty, which was, as usual, an echo of indulgence of the House he would state the Speech. his reasons for moving an Address in an- The Hon. Robert Stewart rose to seswer to his Majesty's Speech from the cond the Address. He began with dethrone. He could not but consider his claring, that he would not trespass upon majesty well warranted in feeling the sa- that indulgence with which young tisfaction he expressed at the improved speakers were commonly favoured. After aspect of affairs. He desired the House several handsome compliments to lord calmly to weigh the occurrences of the Dalkeith on the able manner in which he war. On the continent, the French had had moved the address, he first took a certainly gained considerable advantages, view of the leading features of the war, but they were pretiy equally balanced by and the original grounds of justice and their losses in other quarters. In the necessity upon which it had been underEast Indies our successes had been unin. taken. Much of his argument was aimed terrupted. In the West Indies, indeed, at illustrating the idea first expressed in our prosperity had neither been so en- his majesty's speech, namely, that since couraging, though, upon the whole, he the last year the situation of public af. considered affairs in that quarter as abun- fairs was materially improved." In exdantly favourable. It was natural to ex- amining the state of France it was clear, pect, from the unparalleled extent of our he said, that her finances and her energy commerce, that it would be exposed to were nearly exhausted. She had derived occasional losses. Yet, compared with the extraordinary vigour which she had the trade we had to protect, the loss was displayed from the operation of the systrivial. The commerce of the enemy was tem of terror. Her expenses were enorannihilated. The present powerful ar- mous, and could not long be supported. mament destined to the West Indies, and Her means of raising supplies were to the high reputation and talents of the the disbursements exactly in the ratio of leaders, to whom the enterprise was con- seventy to one. This was proved by the fided, afforded reason to expect the most speeches and reports made from their brilliant advantages. The present was a
committees to the Convention. So great contest in which every thing was to be
was the discredit of their paper currency, effected by exertion. Nothing was to be that the Convention had decreed the recall hoped in the view of a peace, from the in- of the assignats, while, from their total fluence of reason, policy, or humanity, want of all commerce and manufactures, upon the conduct of the enemy, who it was impossible that specie could be looked only to the events of war. It was procured. The system by which Robesnecessary to impress them with a convic- pierre attained power, and by which he tion of their inability to accomplish the governed, was founded upon cruelty and criminal projects they had formed; and terror. The present measures he conhe was confident that a disgraceful peace sidered as guided pretty nearly by the would be more mortifying to Englishmen, than all the evils they could suffer from * The present Viscount Castlereagh, [A. the most disastrous war. The present D. 1817.]
same principles, and possessing much of all treaties, was endangered. Such was the same character. The severities which the situation of the Hanoverian domiprevailed under the former were exercised nions, and he hoped that no serious arunder the present rulers. He adduced gument would be raised by the opposite the instance of Barrère and his associates, side of the House, on the conduct of the and the practice of condemning men by elector of Hanover. Such a theme military, instead of revolutionary, tri- might be a proper subject for a schoolbunals; both of which were equally re- boy's exercise, or for a declamation at pugnant to a government that affected to Copenhagen-house, but it was unworthy ground itself on the principles of freedom, a real statesman. The different situation equality, and justice.He confessed that of Hanover and of this country, pointed the last campaign had not been distin- out the different politics we had to purguished by brilliant success.
Fortune, and not the arms of tions, however, had been usefully em- France, had conquered Holland. The ployed. The war had forced the enemy slowness with which the new principles to adopt unjustifiable means for the sup- operated, was a proof of the dislike in port of an unjustifiable system. Yet this which they were held by many, and of system necessarily tended to exhaust the short possession they would probably itself, and to weaken them by the victo- maintain of that country.-To our navy ries it enabled them to obtain. Their in- much attention had obviously been paid, capacity to injure was our best guarantee, and to the diversion made upon the conand to this point by our exertions we had tinent, the power of our employing it to the reduced, and were still contributing to best advantage was chiefly ascribeable. reduce them.—Distressing, as it was, to Never, in fact, had the arms of Britain see the necessity of additional burthens, been more fortunate by sea. it was a consolation to perceive our re- important station, the Mediterranean, the sources unimpaired. No where were the East and West Indies, we were masters. people deprived, of the comforts of life The present armament to the latter would, by the effects of the war-no where were in all probability, secure us so large a they vexed or oppressed. Monied men share in the colonies as would compenwere readily found to lend upon favour- sate, in a great measure, for the enormous able terms, the sums necessary for the ex- acquisition of territory by the French penses of government. The next budget armies.--He approved of the principle of would, he hoped, show that there were the war, and reposed the most unlimited still many good objects of taxation, while confidence in the chancellor of the exthose of last year could not be called chequer, that he would embrace the earburthensome to the people, and it af- liest opportunity of making peace. Had forded a consolatory reflection, that the the right hon. gentleman pledged himself taxes we already felt, and the national to negociate with any particular form of debt, great as it was, were in a state of government in France, when pressed by liquidation. This favourable view of our the opposite side of the House, he should situation he believed the opposite side of have considered him as unworthy of his the House, disposed as they were to confidence. He believed him to be acdwell upon our disasters, would not ven- tuated by no interested motives, and he ture to contradict. The defection of trusted that he would be guided by no some of our allies from the general cause precipitate views. Anxiety and eagerhe Jamented; but if we regarded their ness for peace would not, he hoped, conduct as treacherous and disgraceful, allow our efforts to be broken, and he it would ill become us to select it for confidently expected that the period imitation. There was, however, some ar- would arrive, when we might look back gument to be urged in their justification to the exertions we had made, as having They had made peace not merely com- been employed not less in preserving the pelled to it by disasters, but when the safety of our country, than incontriprinciples of the French government were buting to the general security of Europe, changed, when her system of conquest Mr. Sheridan said, he was indeed surand of intermeddling in the affairs of fo- prised to find that the fifth word of the reign states was abandoned. Close to speech was the word “ satisfaction.” As the frontier of the enemy on one side, and the speech, not of the king, but of the having a suspicious friend on the other, minister, he would exercise his constitutheir existence, which was paramount to tional right as a member of parliament,