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Dec. 10 to 13, 1830.]

Judge Peck.

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had been induced to desire that this important subject fact, the property of the whole nation. As such, the ques. should be referred to a select comnettee. He again in- tion was before the people—it was a question for the nasisted, that when the subject of a national bank had been tion to decide. In this House, it was not fairly presented a second time, and in a more explicit and particular man- as a subject of inquiry until the bank should apply for a ner, recommended to the consideration of the House, it new charter; when that time arrived, Mr. C. said he would not be respectful to the Chief Magistrate to send it should be for sending it to a select committee; but at preback to a committee who had made up their opinion in sent the whole matter was premature. opposition to that intimated by the Executive. He had The question was then taken on the motion of Mr. not the least doubt that if the light of truth could be made WAYNE, and decided in the negative, by yeas and nays, manifest to them, the minds of those gentlemen were as follows: open to conviction on this as on every other subject; but YEAS.--Messrs. Alexander, Allen, 'Angel, Barnwell, all knew that truth was often difficult of access, and some-Baylor, Bell, James Blair, John Blair, Boon, Borst, Brodtimes not less difficult to be received, and this acknow- head, Carson, Chandler, Claiborne, Clay, Coke, Conner, ledgment involved no imputation whatever on the upright- Daniel, Davenport, Warren R. Davis, Earll, Findlay, ness of that committee. He had another reason for wishing Foru, Foster, Fry, Gaither, Gordon, Hall, Halsey, Hamthe amendment to prevail; it was not to be expected that, mons, Haynes, Hinds, Leonard Jarvis, Cave Johnson, unless the question was submitted to a few minds which Kennon, Perkins King, Lamar, Lea, Leavitt, Lecompte, felt a strong interest in regard to it, it would be examined Lewis, Loyall, Lumpkin, Thomas Maxwell, Monell, Norwith that application and industry which were indispensa- ton, Nuckolls, Pettis, Polk, Potter, Powers, Rencher, ble to the full development of the subject. The sugges- Roane, Sanford, Scott, Augustine H. Shepperd, Shields, tion of the President involved a reference to the amount Standefer, Taliaferro, Wiley Thompson, John Thomson, and places of deposite, their effect upon commerce, &c. Trezvant, Tucker, Wayne, Weeks, Wickliffe, Yancey.&c. which could not be gone into at large unless by a com- 67. mittee specially devoted to the subject. If the House NAYS.- Messrs. Alston, Anderson, Arnold, Bailey, approached the investigation through its Committee of Barber, Barringer, Bartley, Beekman, Bockee, Brown, Ways and Means, could it expect as full and detailed a re- Buchanan, Butman, Cahoon, Cambreleng, Chilton, Clark, port as if by a select committee, whose views corresponded Coleman, Condict, Cooper, Cowles, Craig, Crane, Crawwith those of the President? He knew that gentlemen ford, Creighton, Crocheron, Denny, Dickinson, Draper, would object to his proposition;, that the reference to a Drayton, Dudley, Duncan, Eager, Ellsworth, G. Evans, J. select committee would excite a belief in the community Evans, H. Everett, Finch, Gilmore, Gorham, Green, Grenthat the United States' Bank was not to be rechartered, nell, Harvey, Hemphill, Hodges, Hoffman, Holland, Howand thus greatly depress the price of bank stock. Admit ard, Hughes, Hunt, Huntington, Ingersoll, Irwin, Irvin, that such mighi be the effect, was this a valid objection? Jeming's, Johns, Kendall

, Kincaid, A. King, Lent, LetchWas the House bound to preclude inquiry on a most im- er, Lyon, Magee, Mallary, Marr, Martindale, Lewis Viaxportant subject, from a fear that the discussion might well, McCreery, McIntire, Mercer, Miller, Mitchell, affect the price of stocks? Suppose the question should Muhlenberg, Overton, Patton, Pearce, Pierson, Randolph, be deferred, it must come up at last; and would it not Reed, Richardson, Rose, Russel, William B. Shepard, affect stock then as much as now? Mr. W. said, when Semmes, Sill, Smith, Speight, Ambrose Spencer, Sprigg, the question came up on rechartering the bank ás now Stanbery, Sterigere, Storrs, Strong, Sutherland, Swann, organized, he should vote against it, because its benefits Swift, Taylor, Tracy, Vance, Varnum, Verplanck, Vinenured to individuals and not, to the Government, who ton, Washington, Whittlesey, Edward D. White, Wilmight by means of such an institution contribute to relieve liams, Wilson, Wingate, Young:--108. the people of the Union from unjust taxation to the amount So the House refused to amend the resolution, and the perhaps of millions annually. "He should, however, ab- resolution, as reported by the Committee of the Whole, stain from entering upon the merits of the main question was agreed to. at this time. He was aware that it would not be in order The House then adjourned. to touch upon them. He had had the honor of offering a resolution on the same subject at the last session, and should renew it at the present session. His only motive

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 10. then, as now, had been to promote an inquiry after truth.

After the reception of a great number of petitions and He believed that the appointment of a select committee resolutions: would elicit a mass of facts which it was desirable to ob.

On motion of Mr. BUCHANAN, in order to give time tain, and which would not otherwise come before the for the House to make the preliminary arrangements for House, tending to show whether the measure proposed the trial of Judge Peck, which commences in the Senate by the Executive were practicable or not.

chamber at 12 o'clock on Monday next, the House agreed Mr. CAMBRELENG, of New York, said that if the to meet at 11 o'clock on that day yeas and nays had not been ordered on this subject, he

And then the House adjourned. should not have risen. He was opposed to the amendment of the gentleman from Georgia, because he viewed

MONDAY, DECEMBER 13, the whole question as premature at this time. When the proper tine arrived for its consideration, he should cer.

JUDGE PECK. tainly be in favor of referring it to a select committee. Mr. BUCHANAN, on behalf of the managers appointIt had been so referred when the bank petitioned for a ed to conduct the impeachment against Judge James H. reuewal of its charter. He had the greatest respect for Peck, submitted the following report, which was agreed the gentleman at the head of the Committee of Ways and to: Means, (Mr. McDUFFIE,] but he thought the subject ought The Committee of Managers appointed by the House never to come before the House until the bank should of Representatives to conduct the impeachment against again appear as a petitioner for the renewal of its charter. James H. Peck, Judge of the district court of the United The President, in presenting his message to Congress, States for the district of Missouri, report, that they have had glanced his eye over the whole interests of the coun- had under consideration the answer of Judge Peck to the try, and had, very properly, given to the House his views article of impeachment exhibited against him by the of a great and weighty question of public policy. It was House, and recommend the adoption of the following rea question which involved the circulating medium, and, in plication thereto:

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H. OF R.)
Duties on Sugar.- United States and Denmark. - Election of Chaplain.

[Dec. 13, 1830.

To the llouse of Representatives of the United States: By the House of Representatives of tfie United States to I transmit to the House of Representatives printed cothe answer and plea of James II. Peck, Judge of the pies of the convention between the United States and his district court of the United States for the district of Majesty the King of Denmark, concluded at Copenhagen Missouri, to the article of impeachment exhibited against on the 28th of March, 1830, and ratified by and with the him by the said House of Representatives.

advice and consent of the Senate. The House of Representatives of the United States

ANDREW JACKSON. having considered the answer and plea of James H. Peck,

WASHINGTON, December 10, 1830. Judge of the district court of the United States for the dis- The message and convention were referred to the Comtrict of Missouri, to the article of impeachinent against him mittee on Foreign Affairs, and ordered to be printed. by them exhibited, in the name of themselves and of all the The SPEAKER likewise laid before the House the folpeople of the United States, reply, that the said James lowing letter, which was read; and, on motion of Mr. H. Peck is guilty in such manner as he stands impeached; SPENCER, of New York, ordered to be referred to the and that the House of Representatives will be ready to Committee on Agriculture: prove their charges against him at such convenient tiine and place as shall be appointed for that purpose.

PHILADELPHIA, December 7, 1830. Resolved, That the foregoing replication be put in to the

Sir: You will receive with this letter a silken fag, answer and plea of the aforesaid James H. Peck, on be- bearing the colors of the United States. This flag is made half of this House; and that the inanagers be instructed to entirely of American silk, reeled from the cocoons, premaintain the said replication at the bar of the Senate, at pared and woven by Mr. John D'Homergue, silk manusuch time as shall be appointed by the Senate.

facturer. The coloring has been done by the best artist DUTIES ON SUGAR.

he could procure in the city of Philadelphia, he himself

not professing to be a dyer. Mr. HAYNES, of Georgia, submitted the following re

The staff of this flag, with the eagle, measures about solution:

fifteen feet; the flag itself is twelve feet and a half long, Resolred, That the Committee of Ways and Means be and six feet wide. It is woven all in one piece, without a instructed to inquire into the expediency of repealing the duties on sugar imported from foreign countries into the

I beg, sir, you will be so good as to present this fag, United States. Mr. SUTHERLAND required that the question be over which you preside, as a sample of American indus

most respectfully, in my name, to the honorable House taken upon the consideration of the resolution; and Mr. try, thus applied, for the first time, to the most valuable WILLIAMS demand the yeas and nays on the question, of American productions, and as a result of the efforts They were ordered by the House, and, being taken, stood they have made during the last five years for the promoas follows: YEAS. -Messrs. Alexander, Alston, Anderson, Angel, owe the rich material of which this fag is composed.

tion of the important branch of agriculture to which we Archer, Armstrong, Barbour, Barnwell, Barringer, Bay- I have the honor to be, with the highest respect, sir, lor, Bell, James Blair, John Blair, Boon, Brodhead, your most obedient and most humble servant, Brown, Cambreleng, Campbell, Carson, Claiborne, Clay,

PETER S. DUPONCEAU. Coke, Conner, Craig, Crocheron, Warren R. Davis, De. Hon. AxrrEW STEVENSON, sha, De Witt, Draper, Drayton, Dudley, Earll, Gaither, Speaker of the House of Representatives. Gordon, Hall, Halsey, Hammons, Harvey, Haynes, Hinds, Holland, Hoffman, Hubbard, Jarvis, Jennings, Cave John- A message was received from the Senate, informing the son, Lamar, Lea, Lecompte, Lent, Lewis, Loyall, Lump- House that they were in their public chamber, and ready kin, Thomas Maxwell

, McDuffie, McIntire, Mitchell, to proceed on the trial of the impeachment of James H. Monell, Nuckolls, Patton, Pettis, Polk, Potter, Powers, Peck: and that seats were provided for the accommodation Rencher, Roane, Sanford, William B. Shepard, Augustine of the members of the House. H. Shepperd, Shields, Speight, Richard Spencer, Stan

Whereupon, Mr. BUCHANAN submitted the following bery, Standefer, Taliaferro, °Wiley Thompson, Tucker, resolution; which was carried, nem. con. Verplanck, Wayne, Weeks, Campbell P. White, Williams,

Resolved, That a messige be sent to the Senate to inWilson.-83.

form them that this louse have agreed to a replication, NAYS.--Messrs. Arnold, Bailey, Barber, Bartley, Bates, on their part, to the answer and plea of James H. Peck, Beekman, Bockee, Borst, Buchanan, Butman, Cahoon, Judge of the district court of the United States for the Clark, Coleman, Condict, Cooper, Coulter, Cowles, district of Nissouri, to the article of impeachment exhiCrane, Crawford, Creighton, Crowninshield, Daniel, Den- bited to the Senate against him by this House, and have ny, Dickinson, Doddridge, Duncan, Dwight, Eager, Ells- directed the managers appointext to conduct the said im worth, George Evans, Horace Everett, Findlay, tinch, peachment to carry the said replication to the Senate, and Ford, Forward, Fry, Gilmore, Green, Grennell,' Gurley', to maintain the same at the bar of the Senate, at such time Hawkins, Hemphill, Hodges, Howard, Hughes, Hunt, as shall be appointed by the Senate. Huntington, Thrie, Ingersoll, Irwin, Irvin, Richard M.

Johnson, Kendall, Kennon, Kincaid, Perkins King, Adam
King, Leavitt, Lyon, Magee, Mallary, Marr, Martindalo,

Mr. TAYLOR moved that the House do now
Lewis Maxwell

, McCreery, Miller, Muhlenberg, Overton, to the election of a chaplain; which motion was agreed to. Pearce, Pierson, Ramsey, Reed, Richardson, Rose, Rus- Messrs. · Ancher, WUTTLESEY, and FORWARD were sel, Scott, sill, Smith, Ambrose Spencer, Sprigg, Steri- appointed tellers: whereupon, gere, Stephens, Storrs, Strong, Sutherland, Swann), Swift,

Mr. ARCHER nominated the reverend Mr. Post; Nr. Taylor, John Thomson, Tracy, Vance, Varnum, Vinton, FORWARD nominated the reverend Mr. Thomas; Mr. Washington, Whitilesey, Edward D. White, Wickliffe, WHITTLESEY nominated the reverend Mr. Gurler; Yancey, Young.--99.

and Mr. HUBBARD nominated the reverend Mr. Palfrey So the House refused to consider the resolution. On counting the first ballot, it appeared that 180 votes UNITED STATES AND DENMARK.

were given in--necessary to a choce 91: of which Mir

Post received 83; Mr. Gurley, 46; Mr. Pulfrey, 34; Mr. The SPEAKER laid before the House the following Thomas, 12; and there were five blank votes. message from the President of the United States:

After two other ineffectual ballotings,

proceed Peck)-

Dec. 14, 1830.]
Sunday Mails.--The Turiff.

[H. Or R. On the fourth ballot there were 170 votes--necessary to rum, how much soever he wished the public business ata choice, 86: Mr. Gurley received 91; Mr. Post, 75; and tended to, he would prefer that the House itself should there were four scattering.

conduct the impeachment. " So the reverend Ralph R. Gurley was duly elected Mr. J. was about to proceed, when the SPEAKER reChaplain on the part of the House of Representatives for minded him that there was no proposition before the the present session.

House, and suggested the propriety of his submitting a reMr. JOHNSON, of Kentucky, remarked that there was solution on the subject. a difference of opinion, at least in bis quarter of the House, Mr. J. declining to make any distinct motion at this time, as to the order which should be taken in attending the Adjourned. trial of Judge Peck, in the Senate of the United Siates. Some were of opinion that the House should attend in a

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 14. i body; others thought that it would only be necessary for

SUNDAY MAILS. the managers on the part of the House to attend during the trial. At the last session, said Mr. J., the House were

A memorial was presented by Mr. COULTER, on the in attendance; and it was thought by many members that subject of Sunday mails--recommending that the mail

should be discontinued on the sabbath. On its presentathe same course would be pursued at this session. He wished, for his own part, to have a correct understanding tion, he moved its reference to the Committee on the Post of the subject, and he would thank the Chair to give to the House his opinion as to the course that should be pursued. the direction moved by the gentleman who presented it.

Mr. JOHNSON, of Ky., objected to giving the petition The SPEAKER stated that the resolution of the House He observed, that if the authors of the petition had an 31 at the last session was confined to its attendance before advocate or advocates on this floor, he was perfectly wil.

the court of impeachment for a single day. The Clerk, ling that the report formerly made by the Post Office = however, would read the resolution. (The resolution having been read, which was, in effect, called up. Let the House hear what gentlemen had to

committee on the general subject should at any time be that the House would in a body attend in the Senate chamber for a certain day, to support the charges against Judge say on a subject which he had always thought, and would

now say, ought never to have been brought into the Hall Mr. BUCHANAN rose, and observed, that there seem in favor of Congress interfering with religious considera.

of Congress. He was desirous to hear what could be said ed to be a misunderstanding upon the subject. With the tions. The committee had acted on the subject, and it permission of the House he would state the course that would not do so again, unless compelled to do so by an had been pursued by the managers. They had examined all the precedents which had occurred in this country, to express order of the House. He hoped the gentleman guide them to a correct performance of their duty. It was motion which he would now make, that the petition be

from Pennsylvania (Mr. COULTER] would acquiesce in the ascertained that, since the adoption of the present consti: laid upon the table, or, rather, that it be referred to a tution, there had been three impeachments, viz. those of Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union; and

Messrs. Blount, and Pickering, and Judge Chase. . On he made that motion. on the trial of the two first, the House did not attend in a body, but left it to the managers to conduct the impeach- direction should be given to the petition. He had always

Mr. COULTER said that he felt very indifferent what Is ment; on the trial of Judge Chase, they did attend every considered it proper, when the House was addressed in a

day. It not being considered by the managers of the pend. decorous manner, on any subject proper for legislation, ing trial that any principle so important as to interrupt

the to give the petition a respectful consideration. In the legislative business of the House was involved in the pre- present case, as the course indicated by the chairman of sent case, they had gone to the Senate this day, as mana- the Post Office committee was likely to effect the very gers, and presented to that body the replication agreed object which the petitioners had in view, viz. to have the upon by the House. Mr. B. further remarked, that he subject discussed, and obtain some action of Congress in had consulted the English precedents. On the trial of relation to it, he was entirely willing it should be adopted. Warren Hastings, the House of Commons attended at the He had made a different motion, only out of the courtesy commencement of the trial, but they did not continue to which he supposed due to the Post Office committee, and

On the trial of the Earl of Macclesfield, they did in compliance with the custom of the House. He had no not attend until his conviction by the House of Lords; and doubt that the honorable chairman of the Post Office then they attended in consequence of a message having committee was both competent and willing to meet the been sent them by that body, that they were ready to pro-discussion, which it was the object of the prayer of the nounce judgment on the impeached, if the House of Competitioners to invite. If they had an advocate in the mons would attend and demand it. Mr. B. would not advocate the attendance or non-at

House, that advocate would doubtless avail himself of the tendance of the House at the trial which was to take place, invited so to do by any one.

privilege of debating the question without being specially

Mr. C. said it was not his He had felt it to be his duty to state the course which had purpose to avow himself as their champion, as he did not been pursued on previous occasions of impeachment, and feel himself pledged to any particular course in the matwhat had been done by the managers in the present case, ter; he should endeavor, on this as on other occasions, and to state that his sole object was to do that which would to do what he considered his duty to his constituents best please the House. No motion having been made this demanded. If that duty led him to advocate the cause of morning on the subject, the managers had felt it to be their these petitioners, he should be ready, in so doing, to imperative duty to attend at the bar of the Senate, and present the replication which had been agreed upon.

meet even the gentleman from Kentucky,

Mr. JOHNSON again rose, but the SPEAKER sugMr. JOHNSON, of Kentucky, said, that one great ob- gesting that there was no proposition before the House, ject of his rising had been to obtain from the managers an the petition was referred to the Committee of the whole explanation of the course which they had taken. For his on the state of the Union, by the acquiescence of the part, he wanted to go on with the public business. He recollected, however, the great debate in the Senate at the last session, and that it was nearly impossible to retain other committee; which was assented to.

Mr. HAYNES moved the reference of a petition to an& quorum of the House; if it were probable such would be the case on the present occasion, and the House should be

THE TARIFF. compelled to adjourn from day to day for want of a quo

Mr. BARRINGER submitted the following resolution:

do so.


H. OF R.]

Live Oak Plantations.

(Dec. 15, 16, 1830.


Resolved, Tliat the Committee of Ways and Means be creek, for the purpose of a harbor, would exceed the instructed to report a bill reclucing the duty on bar iron, most sanguine expectations of its projectors. made by hammering, to the amount of duty imposed by Mr. T. remarked, that the formation of a harbor on the the law of 1816.

contemplated site was one of a striclly national character. Also, to reduce the duty on cotton bagging to two cents That it would greatly enlarge the facilities of commerce per square yard.

on the Northern lakes, but, in case of war, would con. Also, to reduce the duty on coarse woollen goods, costing tribute to the common defence of the country, in a proless than fifty cents per square yard at the place whence portionate degree to those on the seacoast.

Mr. T. imported, to an ad valorem duty of twenty-five per cent. concluded by saying that the section of the country

Also, to reduce the duty on coarse wool, costing less bordering on the Northern lakes had nerer asked much than ten cents per pound at the place whence imported, aid from the General Government for the promotion of to an ad valorem duty of twenty per cent.

national objects, and that they had received but a small Also, to reduce the duty on brown sugar to two cents proportion of what they had asked; and he hoped this per pound.

subject would receive from the appropriate committee, Mr. CONDICT demanded the question of consideration to whom it would be referred, all the attention which its on this resolution; and Mr. FINCHI called for the yeas and importance required. nays on the question. They were ordered by the House, The resolution yesterday submitted by Mr. BOON, and, being taken, stood as follows:

of Indiana, was taken up, considered, and agreed to. YEAS.--Messrs. Alexander, Allen, Alston, Anderson, The following resolution, yesterday submitted by Mr. Archer, Barbour, Barnwell, Barringer, Baylor, Bell, WHITE, of Florida, was taken up: James Blair, Brodhead, Cambreleng, Campbell, Carson, Resolved, That the Secretary of the Navy be directed to Chandler, Claiborne, Clay, Coke, Conner, Craig, Cro-communicate to this House copies of the correspondence cheron, Davenport, Warren R. Davis, Deslia, De Witt, of the superintendent, and reporis of the overseer of Draper, Drayton, Dudley, Foster, Gaither, Gordon, II all, the live oak plantations near the navy yard at Pensacola. Hammons, Haynes, Hinds, Holland, Jarvis, Jennings, Mr. SPEIGHT offered the following amendment: Cave Johnson, Lamar, Lea, Lent, Lewis, Loyall, Lump- “ And that he be further directed to communicate to kin, McDuffie, McIntire, Nuckolls, Patton, Polk, Potter, this louse copies of all correspondence, contracts, Rencher, Roane, Wim. 3. Shepard, Aug. H. Shepperd, deeds, or other papers, connected with the purchase of Speight, Richard Spencer, Standefer, Taliaferro, Wiley live oak lands in Florida, in the possession of, or within Thompson, Tucker, Verplanck, Campbell P. White, the control of the Navy Department; the quantity purWilliams, Wilson.--66.

chased; the persons from whom the purchases were made; NAYS.--Messrs. Angel, Armstrong, Arnold, Bailey, the prices given; to whom paid, when paid, and on what Barber, Bates, Beekman, John Blair, Bockee, Boon, authority; together with all other information tending Borst, Brown, Buchanan, Butman, Cahoon, Clark, Cole- show the value of such lands at the time of the purchase

, man, Condict, Cooper, Coulter, Cowles, Crane, Craw- as well as the quantity and value of the live oak timber ford, Crowninshield, Daniel, Denny, Dickinson, Dod- on each tract, fit for naval purposes." dridge, Duncan, Dwight, Eager, Earlí, Ellsworth, George Mr. WHITE, of Florida, said he did not object to the Evans, Joshua Evans, Horace Everett, Findlay, Finch, amendment proposed by the gentleman from North CaroFord, Fry, Gilmore, Gorham, Grennell, Gurley, Halsey, lina, ard would accept it as a modification of his resolu Harvey, Hawkins, Hemphill, Hodges, Hoffman, Howard, tion, although all the information called for by it had at Hubbard, Hughes, Huntington, Ihrie, Irwin, Irvin, R. the last session been communicated to Congress. The M. Johnson, Kendall, Kennon, Kincaid, Perkins King, object he had in view was a simple one, and related to a Adam King, Leavitt, Lecompte, Letcher, Lyon, Magee, subject of more importance than might at first be imaginMarr, Martindale, Thomas Maxwell, Lewis Maxwell, ed. The Secretary of the Navy, in his report to the McCreery, Mercer, Miller, Mitchell

, Monell, Mullenberg, President, and by him communicated to Congress, holds Overton, Pearce, Pettis, Pierson, Ramsey, Reed, Rich- the following language: ardson, Rose, Russel, Sanford, Scott, Shields, Sill, Smith, “Further efforts bave been made for the execution of Ambrose Spencer, Sprigg, Sterigere, Stephens, Storrs, this act, as far as it relates to the preservation of the live oak Strong, Sutherland, Swann, Swift, Taylor, John Thom- growing on the coasts of the Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico. son, Tracy, Vance, Varırım, Vinton, Washington, Weeks, “By the fourth section of this act, the President is Whittlesey, E. D. White, Wickliffe, Yancey, Young.--114. authorized to provide for the preservation of this timber; So the House refused to consider the resolution. but it seems to have been intended that the power should

be limited to that object. In interpretation of the law WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 15.

has heretofore been entertained, extending this power This day was consumed in the reception and reference of plantations of young trees, but to the purchase from

not only to the planting of the acorns, and the cultivation of petitions and resolutions of inquiry.

individuals of lands producing them. The

panying this, marked D, shows the amount which has Tuursday, DECEMBER 16.

been expended on these plantations, and the sums which Mr. TRACY, on rising to present a petition, remarked, have been paid to individuals for the purchase of tracts that the subject matter of the petition which he was of such land. about to present, was one of great importance, not only

"When it is considered that this timber is the natural to his own immediate constituents, but to the whole product of the coast of the United States, from the St. Masection of the country bordering on Lake Ontario. ry's to the Sabine; that the greater part of this belongs to

It might be recollected, he said, that, at the last session the United States, and is proposed to be retained with of the present Congress, á law was passed, making an ap- view to preserving a supply of this important material for propriation for the survey of the mouth of Oak Orchard the navy, it can scarcely be necessary for the present to creek, about middle distant between Niagara and Gene- engage in its artificial propagation or culture. see rivers. This survey was carried into effect the last "Under an impression that this system is neither exper summer, by General Swift , an experienced engineer, dient, nor in conformity to the intentions of the act

, he whose report accompanied the petitions, by reference to order has been given to discontinue the works after the which report it would appear that the benefits which expiration of the present year. would result from the improvement of the mouth of said - But the preservation of this timber is an object of

paper accomDec. 16, 1830.]

Live Oak Plantations.

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great importance, and should be prosecuted with an There were within this boundary a few individual claims active and undeviating purpose.”

to be extinguished, to give the United States exclusive He has exhibited in this report the expenses of a public jurisdiction and possession of the land. The contiguity work recommended by his predecessor, upon the concur- of this land, too, to the navy yard, rendered it accessible rence of the most experienced naval officers, and sanc- at all times to the officers, and subject to their superintioned by Congress, and has announced his determination tendence. A plan was made at the General Land Office, to discontinue it at the end of this year. The expenses the price to be paid stipulated, the situation well underto which the Government have been subjected, are only stood, and the intention of the Governinent made known, disclosed by him. The extent, progress, and benefit of and, with a full knowledge of all these facts, Congress the work is not presented, and can only be understood made thie appropriation. This took place in that year, by having copies of the papers called for in the resolu- when a majority of both committees, and of both Houses tion he had the honor to submit. To form a just idea of of Congress, were opposed to the administration, so that any public improvement, the advantages as well as ex- there was no overstrained construction, no absurd and arpenses should be exhibited to those who are to decide bitrary interpretation, to make these purchases. If the whether the policy of the country requires its continu- attack is intended to be made upon the policy of the mea

sure, it is impugning the decision of Congress. The From a perusal of the report of the Secretary of the Secretary has also stated that live oak is the natural Navy, one would be led to believe that an unauthorized product of the whole coast from St. Mary's to the Sainterpretation had been put by his predecessor upon the bine. This is assumed as the ground for abandoning the third (erroneously called fourth) section of the act for policy adopted by Congress, and continued by this adthe gradual improvement of the navy. It had fallen to ministration fro:n the 4th of March, 1829, up to this time. bis lot to know something about this subject, which, as it I regret that I am under the necessity of differing from has not been disclosed in the report, ought now to be the Secretary so widely in this statement. If the honorable stated here.

Secretary had referred to the respectable naval ofiicers in The subject of forming plantations of live oak for the the other end of the building, they would have told him, future supply of that valuable timber for the navy, was from information acquired from an intimate personal acfirst introduced by a resolution in this House, on the 12th quaintance with that coast, that the live oak is found of January, 1827. By that resolution, the Committee on sparsely scattered at most remote distances, and in small Naval Affairs were instructed to inquire into the expe- bodics. If artificial culture is not resorted to, and the diency of forming plantations for rearing live oak for the fires kept out of the reservations, there will not be enough future supply of the navy. It passed by an almost unani- in fifty years to buld a West India squadron. mous vote; and it was then distinctly announced that the As I have the honor to represent the territory in which imber was so rapidly disappearing, that, unless artificial this establishment is located, I desire to have the subject propagation and culture were resorted to, there would not fairly placed before Congress, and let them decide whebe a sufficient quantity in a few years for naval purposes. ther the public interests will not be promoted by the con

It never was conceived that the act for the gradual im- tinuance of the experiment. The reports will show that provement of the pavy conferred power to make pur- there are 70,000 live oak trees upon the land purchased, chases of land. No such “interpretation was ever enter- which, in half a century, or even a quarter, will be worth tained,” and no such power claimed or exercised. On ten times the amount ever expended upon them. the contrary, it was believed that the Executive had no Mr. WHITE having accepted the amendment of Mr. such authority; and as it was considered that the public SPEIGHT as a modification of his resolution, interests would be promoted by the purchase of a few Mr. HOFFMAN moved further to amend it, by adding individual claims, to complete a proposed reservation of the following: the public land near a navy yard, a specific appropriation

“And all other information in the power of the departwas made in the bill making appropriation for the navy in ment to give, relative to a production and providing a sup1828, and will be found in the third section of that bill, ply of live oak, and the measures taken respecting the as follows:

growing thereof, and the expenses of such measures.” Be it further enacted, That there be, and is hereby, Mr. HOFFMAN, on offering this amendment, said, that appropriated for the purchase of such lands as the Presi- the subject of this resolution was now before the Commitdent of the United States may think necessary and pro- tee on Naval Affairs, in consequence of a reference to that per to provide live oak and other timber for the use of committee of a part of the annual message of the Presithe navy of the United States, a sum not exceeding ten dent. IIis object in moving this amendment was to enlarge thousand dollars," &c.

the proposed call, so as to embrace all the information on This is the authority under which the purchases were the subject which it was in the power of the department made, and not the fourth section of the act for the gradual to communicate. He was not aware, he said, whether improvement of the navy.

Congress had, or had not, in any way, sanctioned the poThe object of this provision was distinctly explained in 1icy of planting. He did not rise to express any opinion a communication to the Committee on Naval Affairs in on that question at present, but only desired to have all the Senate and House of Representatives, and by them to the information which could be brought to bear upon it. the respective branches of Congress to which they be. Mr. WHITE accepted the amendment. longed. It was proposed by the President to make a re- Mr. WICKLIFFE, of Kentucky, proposed an amendservation of the peninsula formed by Pensacola bay and ment, to include also an inquiry into the measures adoptSt. Rosa's sound, near to the navy yard, for the live oak ed for “the preservation” of the live oak timber. Hc then upon it, and to make an experiment of, or its further wanted to get at information on this subject. He underpropagation by, artificial culture. The situation was per- stood that there had been a corps of overseers employed haps the best in the United States. The promontory about that business for the last and several preceding between these two bodies of salt water, from its peculiar years. He wished to know, from authority, what they position and almost insular form, presented advantages were about. which were not offered on any other part of that coast. Mr. WHITE accepted also this amendment. At the distance of eighteen or twenty miles up the sound, The resolution, as thus amended, was agreed to, nem. the waters approached within half a mile, which afforded con. an opportunity of keeping out, with little care and ex- Mr. RICHARDSON submitted the following: pense, the fires which are so destructive to the young trees. Resolved, That a select committee on education be ap

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