Mr. MCGUIRE. While there are some comments on this subject, I would like to see if there is an answer to this question: There is a statement on a Senate report of 1954 that stated that in the Ohio River Basin there was 1,400,000 acre feet of storage that contributed low flow benefits to, I think, over 2,000 miles of streams in the Ohio River Basin.

Does that section mean that there would be that much storage provided without reimbursement on all the major rivers in the country? Mr. DERBY. Not necessarily. It might or might not. It says when you make a study, if they are studying a reservoir on some major streams, whether it is a major stream in Texas the Ohio Valley, or in Utah-well, I guess you don't have any major streams there.

Well, if you find a reservoir where the storage will increase that flow over a very considerable mileage, then it would be permissible under this, to include that storage as the nonreimbursable item.

Mr. MCGUIRE. I can recognize it as a benefit and I think it is unquestionably a benefit. The question I have is as to "without reimbursement. It seems to me that that might be rather broad.

Mr. MCBRIDE. I think the reason for nonreimbursement was simply because of the fact that it would be very difficult to distinguish those to whom the benefit accrues.

Mr. MCGUIRE. Would it follow that if there were recognizable beneficiaries of that type of a feature, that they would be assessed the cost of it?

Mr. DERBY. How would you go at it? If you are building a reservoir in Pennsylvania and it is going to increase the flow of Ohio in Cincinnati, or opposite Cincinnati in Paducah, are you going to go down and pass the hat to those people? They will laugh at you.

Mr. MCGUIRE. I don't know. I just know that the chief of the engineers in a report said that there were cases where the beneficiaries of low flow could be identified, specific communities and so forth, that they should make reimbursement.

Mr. MCBRIDE. I think the same question could be asked about how are they going to collect for land enhancement values? Are you going to say to a man that lives down on a river, because he happened to live there and you built a dam up there and his land is enhanced, that someway or other the Government is going to come in and assess payments, whether he is a willing beneficiary or an unwilling beneficiary? How are you going to collect land enhancement values? I think the same thing applies here.

Mr. MCGUIRE. I think, personally, it is a good thing to recognize that as benefit because it is a benefit certainly.

Mr. GEE. Mr. Chairman, to answer Mr. McGuire's question, Youngstown, Ohio, is such a place where there is a specific industrial requirement for a large flow of water and negotiations have been underway for many years to add storage to the upstream reservoirs for that specific purpose, the intention being that they would pay for it.

Mr. MCGUIRE. Mr. Chairman, without prolonging the time, I think there have been a number of suggestions made this afternoon that have reflected suggestions that were made in this report of the President's Advisory Committee on Water Resource Policy. So that the record is complete. I would like to propose that this statement be incorporated in the final record.

Mr. LINEWEAVER. All right. You mark it up and get it up to us by tomorrow. Do you want the whole business in there?

Mr. MCGUIRE. I will amend that request to make it the major recommendations.

Mr. LINEWEAVER. All right. We will be glad to have them.

The matter referred to is taken from the Report of the Presidential Advisory Committee on Water Resources Policy (H. Doc. 315, 84th Cong., 2d sess., January 17, 1956):

SUMMARY AND MAJOR RECOMMENDATIONS

A sound water policy must look toward an adequate supply of water for our people, prevent waste, reduce water pollution to its lowest practicable level, provide means for the best and most effective distribution of water, improve navigation, and take steps to check the destructive forces of water which de- stroy land, property, and life. There are many different problems in different areas. It is neither practicable nor desirable to have only Federal responsibility. There is no single "national" water problem.

It is recommended:

1. Basic data. That the present program of basic data collection (such as rainfall, streamflows, and hydrology) be accelerated, and be programed and carried out on a more consistent and definite basis (sec. 1).

2. Planning. That planning for water resources and related developments be conducted on a cooperative basis with representatives of all Federal, State, and local agencies involved; and that this joint participation be continuous from the beginning in order that plans and projects developed assure the best and most effective use and control of water to meet both the current and long-range needs of the people of a region, State, or locality, and of the Nation as a whole (sec. 2). 3. Organization.-That an organization plan be adopted substantially as follows (secs. 2 and 3):

(a) The position of Coordinator of Water Resources be established to provide Presidential direction to agency coordination and to establish principles, standards, and procedures for planning and development of water resources projects.

(b) An independent Board of Review be created to analyze the engineering and economic feasibility of projects and report to the President through the Coordinator.

(c) Regional or river basin water resources committees be formed with a permanent nonvoting chairman appointed by the President and with membership composed of representatives of all Federal departments and States involved.

(d) A permanent Federal Interagency Committee, advisory in character, on Water Resources be established under the chairmanship of the Coordinator composed of principal policymaking officials of the agencies concerned.

4. Water rights.-(a) That the principles which recognize water rights as property rights be accepted. That determinations as to disposition of water recognize such rights.

(b) That a study be made by the Federal Government in collaboration with State and local entities to determine the relationships between property rights to water and the social and economic development of the Nation and the area, and of the principles and criteria which should be incorporated into Federal, State, and local laws regarding rights to the appropriation and use of water that would assure its best and most effective use and at the same time encourage maximum participation by all parties concerned.

(c) That States enact legislation regarding the ownership and right, purpose and place of use of underground water. (d) That formation of interstate compacts where appropriate be encouraged (sec. 4).

5. Priority of use of water.-That no system of relative priorities for use of water should be applied uniformly to the entire country (sec. 5).

6. Evaluation. That evaluations of water projects by all agencies be on a uniform basis, requiring balanced consideration of all benefits and costs which can reasonably be measured in dollars, as well as consideration of other values not readily expressed in monetary terms (sec. 6).

7. Authorization. That each major water resources project be separately authorized by the Congress (sec. 7).

8. Cost sharing.-(a) That, as a general policy, all interests participate in the cost of water resources development projects in accordance with the measure of their benefits; that the Federal Government assume the cost of that part of projects where benefits are national and widespread and beneficiaries are not readily identifiable; that power and municipal and industrial water users pay the full cost of development; that where projects are primarily local, and the beneficiaries are clearly identifiable, the Federal Government's contribution should be limited, with non-Federal interests bearing a substantial portion of the construction costs of the project as well as the replacement, maintenance, and operation costs; and that under certain conditions the Federal Government may bear a higher proportion of the costs (sec. 8).

(b) That the Federal Government encourage non-Federal assumption of responsibility for construction of water resources projects by such means as the payment of costs which would have been nonreimbursable had the projects been federally constructed, and the making or guaranteeing of loans to non-Federal interests for certain purposes under proper safeguards (sec. 8).

Mr. LINEWEAVER. At this point I will insert in the record a copy of Executive Order No. 9384, dated October 4, 1943.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 9384

SUBMISSION OF REPORTS TO FACILITATE BUDGETING ACTIVITIES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

By virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, and particularly by the Budget and Accounting Act, 1921, as amended (title 31, U. S. C., secs. 1-24), it is hereby ordered as follows:

1. În order to facilitate budgeting activities, all departments and establishments of the executive branch of the Federal Government, now or hereafter authorized by law to plan, propose, undertake, or aid public works and improvement projects financed in whole or in part by the Federal Government, shall prepare and keep up to date, by means of at least an annual revision, carefully planned and realistic long-range programs of such projects (all such programs being hereinafter referred to as "advance programs").

2. (a) Whenever any estimate of appropriation is submitted to the Bureau of the Budget (hereinafter referred to as the "Bureau") by such departments and establishments for the carrying out of any public works and improvement project or projects whether by contract, force account, Government plant and hired labor, or other similar procedure, or for the financing of any such project or projects whether by grantsin-aid, loans, or other forms of financial assistance, or for examinations, surveys, investigations, plans and specifications, or other planning activities, whether preliminary or detailed, for any such project or projects (all such survey and planning activities being hereinafter referred to as "plan preparation"), the advance program or programs relating to the proposed work or expenditure shall be submitted to the Bureau as an integral part of the justification of the estimates presented.

(b) All such departments and establishments shall submit to the Bureau at the earliest possible date estimates of such supplemental appropriations for the fiscal years 1944 and 1945 as are necessary to provide plan preparation for those public works and improvement projects proposed for undertaking during the first 3 years of their advanced programs. Thereafter, in order that plans for these public works and improvement projects will always be available in advance, all such departments and establishments shall prepare and submit to the Bureau during each fiscal year estimates of such appropriations as may be necessary to provide plan preparation for those projects proposed for undertaking during the succeeding 3 fiscal years of their advance programs. All such estimates shall be accompanied by recommendations as to the additional legislation, or amandments to existing legislation, that may be necessary to bring projects in their advance programs to an appropriate state of readiness for prompt undertaking when and where needed.

3. The Director of the Bureau upon the basis of the estimates and advance programs submitted in accordance with

the provisions of paragraph 2 of this order, shall report to
the President from time to time, but not less than once a year,
consolidated estimates and advance programs in the form of
an overall advance program for the executive branch of the
Government.

4. Before any department or establishment shall submit to the Congress, or to any committee or member thereof, a report relating to, or affecting in whole or in part, its advance programs, or the public works and improvement projects comprising such programs, or the results of any plan preparation for such programs or projects, such report shall be submitted to the Bureau for advice as to its relationship to the program of the President. When such report is thereafter submitted to the Congress, or to any committee or member thereof, it shall include a statement of the advice. received from the Bureau.

5. The data and reports required by this order, and such other data, reports, and information as may from time to time be requested by the Bureau concerning advance programs or the status of any public works and improvement projects included therein, or the results or status of any plan preparation for such programs or projects, shall be submitted to the Bureau in such form and manner as the Director of the Bureau shall prescribe. The Director of the Bureau shall from time to time issue such regulations as he deems necessary to effectuate this order, and his determinations with respect to the scope and application of this order shall be controlling.

6. The term "departments and establishments" as used in this Executive order shall be deemed to include any executive department, independent commission, board, bureau, office, agency, regulatory commission or board, Government-owned or controlled corporation, or other establishment of the Government, and the municipal government of the District of Columbia, but shall not include the legislative or judicial branches of the Government.

7. Executive Order No. 8455, dated June 26, 1940, is hereby revoked.

THE WHITE HOUSE,

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT.

October 4, 1943.

Mr. LINEWEAVER. Is there anything further?

If not, we stand in recess.

(Subsequently, the following memorandum was received from Col.

H. C. Gee, of West Palm Beach:)

DRAFT FOR INFORMATION OF SENATE COMMITTEES ON INTERIOR
AND INSULAR AFFAIRS, AND PUBLIC WORKS

SENATE RESOLUTION 281. WATER RESOURCES POLICY

In the interest of promoting rapid development of the Nation's water resources by the construction of essential projects which are economically justified and responsive to the